Omnivorous versus Vegan Diets: A Debate. Part III, by Renee Lehnen & Kansas Stanton

Naturalistic Pagans not only view the Earth as sacred, but also ourselves, each other, and other beings that share this planet with us. But regarding food, what does the most Naturalistic Pagan diet look like? Writers, Renee Lehnen (an omnivore) and Kansas Stanton (a vegan) debate this question regarding topics on human evolution, health, environmentalism, ethics, sustainable meat, and clothing. We hope that within this debate, the reader can answer this question for themselves and be able to make a spiritually conscious and physical difference. -Kansas Stanton 

 Continued from Part II………    I wondered if you would recommend human waste as a fertilizer, and you bravely have! Surely the pathogens you warn about should be of even graver concern if manure is human-issued night soil. Regarding erosion, good farming and grazing practices prevent this problem and the sight of wash-outs or blowing soil is a reflection on the farmer. It shouldn’t happen whether in a meadow or a field of beans.

Veganism sometimes appears more ecologically sustainable than omnivory, but two further points challenge this notion. First, veganism exacts a peculiar environmental cost on the planet. By avoiding all animal products, vegans often turn to artificial fibers to clothe themselves and furnish their homes. Forsaking wool, silk, or leather for vinyl, polyester, or other petroleum- based fabrics causes plastic pollution. A sheep’s wool sweater and a polar-fleece sweater serve the same function, but the wool sweater comes from a renewable resource, a sheep’s coat shorn in spring when the sheep is happy to be rid of it, rather than an oil well. In addition, clothes made of natural fibers are usually more comfortable than clothes made from artificial fibers and they biodegrade when they are cast off. -Renee Lehnen

Well, there are outreach organizations that accept used clothing for those less privileged. Also, textile recycling for synthetic fabrics is becoming popular. These items are stripped and sorted to the material used and converted into padding for furniture and new clothing. And biodegradable clothing is advancing. There are organic cotton fabrics, raincoats made from potatoes and polo shirts from plastic water bottles. Recycled rubber for soles of shoes and vegetable dyes are also becoming widely used.

Furthermore, animal skins are not a by-product of the meat industry; that is a separate product where animals are raised strictly harvested for a multi-billion-dollar clothing industry. Most soft leather comes from the skins of newborn or unborn (cut out of the mother’s womb) calves. Leather goods sourced from China are chrome tanned with carcinogenic chromium which pollutes water.

And what of exotic leathers: ostrich, caiman, or snake? Endangered species may be legally protected, but has that stopped people from killing animals for the sake of money in the past? Silk is obtained by baking or boiling the worm’s silk cocoon while it’s still inside trying to become a moth so that it doesn’t chew its cocoon when exiting and ruin the product (an average of over 700 billion moths, each with a central nervous system that feels pain, are killed for silk every year).

Sheep are exploited by being selectively bred to have more wrinkly skin that produces more wool for us, but this creates cuts in shearing. And sometimes, fecal matter naturally sticks to the wool on the buttocks of sheep, attracting flies and maggots. And so, the wool industry practices mulesing, which deep cuts the skin of the buttocks without anesthesia so that when the wounds heal, new wool won’t grow. Infection is common. When the sheep are too old to produce wool, they’re sent off to slaughter.

This is quite a litany of horrors. You have outlined the worst abuses to condemn leather-wearing across the board. Most leather is harvested from farm animals that are eaten, and as such, leather is usually an ethical clothing choice. As for treatment of sheep, museling is performed on lambs with the humane intention of preventing flystrike. Alternatives to this practice and use of anaesthesia are becoming more widespread. I believe that people should be familiar with farming and slaughter practices just as they should be aware that wearing plastic clothing made from water bottles from which they have drunk and discarded is a tragic use of resources. I’ll drink tap water from a glass and wear my Aran-knit sweater proudly.

Second, humans live in symbiosis with some creatures which produce substances that vegans do not consume. We have already considered wool-bearing animals. Let’s also consider bees, insects that dwell in human-made hives and live on pollen in human-planted orchards and meadows. Apiarists take honey and candle wax from bees in exchange for providing homes and a food-rich habitat to bees, a classic win-win that is lost when one adopts a vegan lifestyle. Omnivory offers advantages of pragmatism and flexibility over dogmatic veganism.

Here’s the thing with bees. In today’s world, the honey harvest is very profitable. So, apiarists naturally aim for the highest yield possible. Because it is a food staple for bees, they will replace their harvests with a sugar substitute which doesn’t have the essential micronutrients that honey has, diminishing the bees’ health. And in conventional beekeeping, honey bees are bred to increase productivity, narrowing the population gene pool which increases susceptibility to disease and mass die-offs. Given the current endangering of bee populations, this poses risk. Furthermore, queen bees’ wings are usually clipped to prevent the relocation of a colony. Another environmental harm occurs when over-breeding of a specific bee population results in competition with wild nectar-foraging insects and birds, lowering their numbers and keeping them from pollinating plants effectively.

I think that  are a more sinister danger to all bees, wild and domestic, than a caring apiarist who attends to his or her hives.

Finally, there is the matter of taste. Shortbread needs butter. No vegan substitute is equal to its role in a recipe. A locally-made cheddar is a tasty, healthy source of protein, gut bacteria, and calcium; nut and soy cheeses are pretenders. On an aesthetic and taste standpoint, a little animal food goes a long way in an ethical, earth-friendly omnivorous diet.

First, you need to try Earth Balance butter; it’s a great substitute! Secondly (though many a vegan may shun me for this), there is no way you can replace the flavor or texture of meat and dairy. A pig is a pig, not a jackfruit. Mozzarella is mozzarella, not a cashew. I’ve eaten amazing vegan meat-substituted dishes and dined at fancy vegan restaurants and let me tell you: there is still a difference. You just cannot substitute tissue, period.

Now, science is finding ways of reproducing meat from the skin cells of cattle so that vegans can eat steak again, guilt-free. However, I have to say: almost immediately after going vegan and learning to eat right, I have way more energy, I sleep better, I’m more alert, my weight-lifting recovery is quicker, and I just feel better and “cleaner.” Also, I feel like I’m making a difference for my health, my planet, and the lives of animals. That’s not to say anyone else would feel the same or benefit from a vegan diet equally, but it works for me!  -Kansas Stanton

I’ll try Earth Balance butter out of curiosity. As an omnivore, my food choices are wide open. I’m glad you feel as healthy on your vegan diet as I feel as an omnivore. To conclude, I think we both agree that the earth and its plants and creatures including us benefit when we eat locally, sustainably grown food that is prepared with love.  -Renee Lehnen


About the Authors: Renee Lehnen

ReneeLRenee Lehnen is a registered nurse and recent empty nester living in Stratford, Ontario, Canada. With her new found free time, she enjoys outdoor sports, working on local environmental projects, and gazing at the sky wondering, “What does all of this mean?”






Kansas Stanton

Kansas Stanton is a Naturalistic Neo-Pagan who resides in Seattle, Washington. He belongs to, and practices with, a local group of Reform Pagans and blogs at He also volunteers every year at the Esoteric Book Conference in Seattle and regularly attends various Pagan festivals and events.

He is a full-time student, earning his degree in Environmental Science and a Certificate in Sustainability, after which time he will move on to law school to receive his Juris Doctor in Environmental Law. When Kansas is not in class or working his job in the art industry, he also attends heavy metal concerts both locally and internationally. He is also a vegan outdoorsman who frequents the trails and whitewater rivers of the pacific northwest and loves to spend his time with friends over a cold, dark beer.

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5 Comments on “Omnivorous versus Vegan Diets: A Debate. Part III, by Renee Lehnen & Kansas Stanton

  1. One point of this issue that is frequently overlooked is that not everyone can eat a vegan diet. I personally cannot. I have an autoimmune disease that wastes protein and most plant proteins trigger my disease – soy, legumes, gluten, and oats. To be fair, I am also triggered by dairy and possibly eggs so it’s not just plant proteins.
    I also have multiple friends who cannot eat legumes because of allergies or sensitivities.
    I know the vegan community loves to claim that you can get ample protein even without legumes but I couldn’t. I tried and I got really sick.
    My point is that not everyone can eliminate animal products from their diet. For some of us, it isn’t an ethical issue.

    • Liz, that is an excellent point and I’m not sure why either Renee or myself had previously thought of that! I have a vegan friend who cannot eat any nuts at all; which is too bad since that’s a huge part of protein and healthy fats for us. She still gets by, however, but not everyone can with even more sensitivities or diseases. So coming from your side of this argument, I completely agree! It’s not very accommodating to everyone. Our overall point, however, is to simply be more aware about your food and to make smart decisions when purchasing and consuming it, and to understand the effects that it has on everything. If that’s with meat, it’s with meat. If it’s vegan or vegetarian, then there ya go! 🙂

  2. The majority of wool is made from tortured animals. Yes the sheep make wool, but they were bred and given life to do that for us. The tiny amount of ones that are treated nicely, the ones that you like to think of, are still slaves to you.

  3. I read Daniel Quinn’s book, Ishmael, a few years back and it really changed my approach to these questions. He points out that underlying our way of life, our culture, our thought is a dichotomy between human and nature.

    We tell stories where we are seen as separate from and above nature. Abrahamites will talk about God having given us Creation to have dominion over or to steward. Atheists will talk about us as the ultimate product of evolution or as the most advanced animal or they will pick a trait and say, “This is what separates us from the other animals. ” They won’t tend to use the same phrase when describing an octopus, “Being able to secrete ink is what separates the octopus from other animals. ”

    He calls the stories we tell about this dichotomy, the old story and challenges us to come up with a new story. The premise of the new story will be that we are part of nature and that everything we do is part of nature but that some of the things we can choose to do are breaches of ecological laws which will eventually, if we continue to behave in that way, lead to our extinction.

    Interestingly, eating meat is not a breach of those laws but farming is. You talk about the farming ecosystem, but there is no farming ecosystem. There is a forest ecosystem where someone has broken an ecological law but cutting down all of the trees.

    Cutting down a tree is not a breach of ecological law ; beavers do it all of the time. Cutting down all of the trees so that you can give exclusive use of the land to your client plant species (or crops) is.

    Vegans may cause less land area to be blasphemed in this way than omnivores but this doesn’t make them less guilty of breaching the law. Farmed produce is not farmed only at the expense of the trees but also of the other forest organisms who were and are excluded from the farm. When a vegan eats a bean, they are still responsible for the death of the deer that the farmer shot to protect that bean, even if the farmer used organic methods.

    Imagine solar powered quad copters flying over a wild fully biodiverse forest, snipping off a twig here and there and carrying them back to a base where they are processed and fed to goats living in a comfortable barn/run under the forest canopy. Eating goats raised in that way would use up no wilderness beating a vegan eating organic farm produce by 100%.

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